Jeremy Bentham

Stephen Conway (ed.), The Collected Works of Jeremy Bentham: The Correspondence of Jeremy Bentham, Vol. 9: January 1817 to June 1820

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pg 380Editor’s Note2585To Sir Samuel Bentham31 January 1820 (Aet 71)

Monday 31 Jany in continuation of a letter sent on Saturday 29 Jany.

I. Finance Committees Report 17th. p. 7 Paragraph about the Inspector Generals Office less than half a page. Reference therein to Appendix.G. 5 for the reasons of its creation G. 5. is the Order in Council pages from 42 to p 44 pages

II. Do. Report 31. p. 10 Paragraph heading Information from. S.B. less than ⅓d of a page.

Appendix D5b. Extract of the Examination of S.B. Esq. Inspector General of Naval Works, taken on the 8th of May 1798 pp 33 to 37 4½ including John Gores Report / Triton / about docking with all in2

Appendix D II. 'The Opinion of S.B. Esq. on the expediency of abolishing the practice of Chips.' pps 44 to 46. 3 pages

The above are all the documents I can find that relate to S.B in Abbot's Finance Reports 4 Vols fat folio. These, I can get copied in MS. and send to you 'He also applies to you' (says Lady B.) 'to beg and entreat of you to bestow upon him your copy of the Report of the Committee of Finance which contains the Institution of the Office of Inspector General of Naval works, and the Committee Report.'3 Neither you nor Ladyship know what it is that you or one of you thus beg and entreat so passionately and peremptorily. The above are bound up in those 4 Volumes any page of which I may have need of, while all that you can have any need of as far as I see is contained in the above comparatively few pages you desire / she desires / it to be sent by post etc.

Lady B. to J.B. Your Brother has taken 'to the preparation of certain papers for publication. It is on this account he is so anxious to have the small copies he wrote to you about last Saturday, or rather that I wrote by his direction. The inclosed Letters are principally on the subject of Instructions for obtaining all papers if it can be done without danger of losing them.' This letter written and I suppose sent on the then last Saturday is pg 381I suppose the one spoken of afterwards by the name of No 2. This No 3 (as mentioned in my last) has no date.4

My dear Sam when your good sense gets the better of your indolence, you will see that it is not right in making such an application to your Brother to turn over to another person the task of giving expression to your wishes. Is it too much trouble to you to say what it is you want, and not too much trouble for me to endeavour to find out what it is you want? I am overloaded with engagements, and you have none. You are my Brother, and our tempers have always suited uncommonly well. Your rib is not my sister, and our tempers have not always suited quite so well. I receive from her with pleasure most things; but second hand accounts of what it is you wish from me are not among them. If you had given me some conception of your object I might have done what depended on me towards providing means for the end.

My infirmities are fast encreasing, I grow every day more and more anxious about all things small / the smallest / as well as great: and this consumes a large portion of my small remnant of time in an unprofitable manner Yet with all this I am tolerably gay and sprightly. On is all astonishment.

Instructions for executing the Dean and Chapter Lease to J. and S.B.5

You will I suppose find two places made for seals i.e. for causing sealing wax to stick on by means of a piece of tape put through. On one of these in the presence of R.D. drop wax and seal it with your seal or any seal on the left of the seal write Samuel, on the other right Bentham. Then, in his presence applying your seal to it you say 'I deliver this as my act and deed.' Near to it R.D. writes Signed sealed and delivered by the said Samuel Bentham at the Château of Pompignan near the Post Town of Grizolles in the department of Tarne et Garonne on the (naming the month and day of the month) in the presence of me the underwritten whose handwriting this is

                                                    Richard Doane

There is no certain indispensable form necessary. This on account of the particularity of the circumstances is rendered more than ordinarily ample.

One witness is sufficient. I had once thought of your adding a French one. But the danger might be lest in case of R.D's death, instead of accepting proof of his handwriting, the grimgribber men6 should say—no you must produce the surviving witness from France.

In the Lease as engrossed you are stiled as you were S.B. Esqr. Aware of this I took some measures for the addition of your present title; thinking itpg 382 rather awkward that in a solemn document no mention should be made of it. Did I not cause an insertion to be made in ink by interlineation? If not did I not put it in pencil, for you to have it made in ink? Either on the parchment itself or on some separate paper, I am sure, I wrote directions. The lease being sent ready engrossed by the D. and Chapters man I had no part in the preparation of it. The insertion I made was I believe 'Knight of the Military Order of St George of Russia': though as to the word 'Military' tho' I believe customary I see no use in it. If the insertion is made, I think you had better write in the margin in continuation of that line the initials of your name to shew that the alteration / addition / is by your authority, this is customary in case of interlineation in a different hand from the body of the deed. The D. and Chapter man (who is a foolish fellow) will he make botheration on account of the alteration thus made in a discourse purporting to be that of the D. and Chapter? I hope not: if he does I shall have to fight a battle with him. It is not sealed yet by their seal. By their seal they will make it their discourse: and there can be no reason why their discourse should not on this as on other points, [be] accordant with the truth of the case.


Lawrence. After all, he goes not till October.7 Another daughter of Place's with her husband, (a Coachmaker and Coachmaker's Currier) Adams8 go in a ship which he had chartered for Buenos Ayres: and though he goes not his partner in the colonization scheme Mr Barry does. What detains him is the having bought an estate in Wales in Cardiganshire of above 4000 acres:9 which after putting in order he will leave in charge of his younger brother10 who in the mean time continues in the mercantile House. But in the same ship goes moreover a Mr Gilliass a Scotch Surgeon,11 who Mill has heard from Place, is a capital and ardent Botanist, and who will cross the Andes. This I have informed Lawrence of who will see him once more […?] at Cowes where the ship touches, and he will I am sure make him take the most tremendous oath to send seeds. But since such a cloud has hung over the Pézenas purchase,12 seeds have lost no small part of their value.

You are prepared by my last if you have received it, to send off R.D. as soon as he has attested the deed. The Banker has orders to carry £20 from my account to your's for the travelling expences. I forget whether I mentioned in my last that coming from Paris by Dieppe and Brighton will, if now practicable be on several accounts the most eligible route.

pg 383The Normandy besides being an additional route is far pleasanter even in winter than the other: and the fare if not altered within these 2 or 3 months is even cheaper. I have just learnt that it does run; but the man whom my boy saw was unable to tell from what House at Paris.

A letter and some little articles, perhaps,—a few spunges prepared in a certain manner Dr Swediar has engaged to send by R.D. for Mr Mill. Let R.D. call for them, and pay what if any thing is demanded. But he should have instructions to decline paying more than a certain sum—say 24 or at the utmost 48 francs: for you remember the man's rapacity, and if his wealth has rendered him less rapacious, at any rate it has not cured him of extreme niggardliness. He had the modesty to ask me when in London to give him a copy of every thing I had ever published. As to R.D.s staying in Paris any longer than necessary, I said in my last but one I can not afford the time, and I see no particular use in it.13

Ainslie dines with us to day: but under existing circumstances what can be done I know not. 'I fear' says he in a letter dated 29 Jany Upper Norton Street (his Mother's present residence I suppose) 'I fear by Lady B.'s description of the papers Sir S. wishes for they are not in it' (the package he has made at Hampstead) 'nor at Hampstead, but at Portsmouth'14

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2585. 1 BL IX. 384–5. Autograph. Docketed: '1820 Jan 31 / SB'. Addressed: 'To / Sir Samuel Bentham / etc etc etc / au Château de Pompignan / près Grizolles / Tarne et Garonne / viâ Paris'. Postmark: 'F / 18 / 20'. Stamped: 'ANGLETERRE'.
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2 John Gore (1772–1836), by 1820 Sir John Gore and a rear admiral, on 5 May 1797, as captain of H.M.S. Triton, had written to Evan Nepean (1751–1822), first secretary of the admiralty, explaining that his ship had been docked, loaded with provisions and ballast, 'and does not appear in the smallest Degree strained by it.' See the Thirty-first Report, p. 37.
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3 i.e. the Seventeenth Report, as mentioned above.
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4 See letter 2584.
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5 A lease from the dean and chapter of Westminster.
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6 i.e. lawyers.
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7 William Effingham Lawrence, who was due to go to Buenos Aires.
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8 Elizabeth Place (b. 1794), Francis Place's eldest daughter, married William Bridges Adams (1797—1872), later famous as an inventor and writer, the son of William Adams, an ally and friend of Place.
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9 Near Lampeter. See letter 2606 and n. 2.
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10 Edward Billopp Lawrence.
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11 John Gillies (1792–1834), a naval surgeon. He went to Buenos Aires in 1820, and lived at Mendoza 1823–8, before returning to Scotland in 1829. He collected plants in both Argentina and Chile.
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12 See letter 2583 and n. 14.
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14 The original letter is missing.
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